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Subject:Prudes & Prejudice finishes...
Time:10:10 pm
...and so ends the current storyline! Thanks for reading... like a lot of my stories it went off in directions I never quite expected! It seems to have taken a looong time to tell this one, even though I never took any lengthy breaks (apart from a few weeks here and there). Apparently the first page went online on July 20, 2009... so it took over 21 months to work through 90 pages. I really hope you enjoyed them... maybe a going back to the start and giving it a second read through might help with the overall appreciation (or not) of the story (it starts here!). A number of people have commented that this has been one of their favourite stories - possibly due to the nude activism themes rather than the romance angle I saddled it with. Generally though it has generated much less comment from readers than previous stories so I don't know if that reflects a low level of interest or not. Annnyway... phew! It's always a relief to get something like this finished and 90 pages is a lot of pages. Comments and feedback about the comic welcome.

Next update: With P&P out of the way I'm taking a lengthy break to recharge my creative batteries. I probably should have done it sooner but I really wanted to finish the story for once before going on hiatus. I still have plenty of stories to tell with the folks of the Koala Bares but really need to not have the self-imposed weekly deadline of another The Bare Pit page hanging over me for a while. Also, some of you may have noticed the site is somewhat broken - notably navigation and the forum, so it's time to find a new home and I'll be using the hiatus to sort out those issues. At his stage I'm thinking three, maybe four months. I'll let you know as soon as I've sorted things out. Thanks for reading!

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(Anonymous)
Subject:Prudes & Prejudice
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Time:2011-04-02 08:23 pm (UTC)
Overall, one of your best stories. It was interesting to see more dimensions of Willow, and it really gave you an opportunity to hash more of her character out.

I think the reason for the lack of comments, and this is nothing personal, is that fact that the story was so sporadic. It got to the point where I would visit the page on Friday, and I would wonder what excuse you would come up with this week in order to not have an update up.

It's a tad insulting to your readers to have, "Update: Friday" up on the website until Friday and then putting up something to the effect of, "Had an emergency tonight, no update this week. Update: Next Friday." Why are you saving it for the last minute? For as long as it takes to draw a comic, it seems like you would know ahead of time, and you're really making half-assed excuses for putting the minimal amount of effort into your comic.

I realize for you that this is a hobby, and you will likely take a lot of offense to what I am saying, but I think you need to realize that you do have a dedicated fan base who feel that you're phoning it in. Maybe you need to find a way to monetize the site, so it can provide you a decent income.

Just a few observations. I'm still fond of your work, and hope you keep making comics.
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: Prudes & Prejudice
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Time:2011-04-02 09:15 pm (UTC)
Hi! Glad you liked the story.

Yes, I certainly appreciate that the wobbly update schedule makes it hard to follow a serial through the various ups and downs and no doubt that did result in a lot of people giving up on it or feeling like I didn't really care about it.

I don't think the excuses were half-assed though... for example my grandmother died in January and I had to travel away from home for a week for the funeral, to grieve and help my family, etc and even after returning it still wasn't smooth sailing for a few weeks after that. Sometimes I get sick or have neck/shoulder pain due to drawing too much, sometimes I have unmissable deadlines and work loads from my actual real job that pays the bills, I also have other concurrent art projects just as demanding of my time and sometimes I have to have (planned and unplanned) time with family and friends (ie, a social life that isn't just solitary me behind a drawing board).

So yes, this is just a hobby - when it boils down to it I am really just drawing this for myself... each page takes between 5 to 10 or more hours to write, draft, draw, letter, colour, digitise and upload - and if I didn't have anything at all to do in my life I could probably do three pages during a week. As it is, with everything I just mentioned above, it's a marvel I even get one of them done every sevenish days. If I was really organised I would write the entire story first, draft it completely and then draw it in totality before even putting the first page online and then there would be a very smooth update schedule as all the pages have been completed in advance. If I was to do that though there would be a year or two or more between each new storyline. As it is I need the self-imposed weekly deadline to keep producing the pages the way I do - although I have an idea of how any story should progress on the whole I am making a lot of it up as I go along and hoping for the best. It's a miracle it holds together as well as it does! So those are the options - a shaky weekly schedule, one page at a time or up to two years between projects with a super smooth daily schedule for two or three months while a story plays out.

Since this is a personal project, I guess I don't even have to put any of it online it would certainly make my life a lot less stressed at times. But I know that people like the comics so I'm happy to share and I absolutely value that there are those people out there enjoying it and it's that very fact that drives me to keep putting out the pages as frequently as is currently humanly possible for me right now. If I didn't value my audience believe me I would have stopped at page 10 (during The Koala Bares) and there would never have been another after that.

But thank you for your feedback, I don't take offense - I often feel exactly the same about other unreliable webcomics that do exactly the same thing, even knowing what I know goes into making the darned things. I'm sorry if I didn't adequately explain the reasons for the delays - sometimes I just felt the reasons sounded like half-assed excuses myself... the promised Friday update (or any day I might nominate) is as much for me as it is for anyone else because that's my target and believe me, up until the point where I might miss it and have to reset I am working towards meeting it and am never just phoning it in.

I mentioned to someone who just emailed me that at the start of any long story I am full of enthusiasm for it but as it goes on I start to get fatigued and the end seems like a million pages away but getting even further away with each new page until the last 2 or 3 are in sight... a bit like running a marathon I suppose! So thank you for cheering me across the finish line.

Cheers
Stephen
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htial
Subject:Congrats...
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Time:2011-04-02 08:56 pm (UTC)
Congrats on the completion of the story line... ...I can't believe it's been almost two years... ...I think I came across you comic a little before P&P started... ...And I've been hooked ever since...

I'd kinda have to agree with the other poster about the last minute delays... ...I'd often go to the comic first thing when I get home on a friday only to see that it was delayed... ...So I've ended up waiting until tuesday the next week to check on a new comic...

That being said... ...It has not lessened my enjoyment of the story line... ...It seemed to be quite a large story to get what you were saying out... ...Enjoy the break...
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: Congrats...
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Time:2011-04-02 09:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks, glad you liked it! You might have posted this while I was writing my reply to the other post about the missed deadlines, so please check that out. I'm happy you were able to stick with the story even through the rough patches! :D
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htial
Subject:Re: Congrats...
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Time:2011-04-03 11:01 am (UTC)
Don't worry about the rough patches... ...I think my post focused on those a little to much... ...Yourself and family should always come first... ...And your readers should understand that...

The Bare Pit, Questionable Content, and OGLAF are now the only online comics that have kept my attention... ...And I think that comes down to three things... ...Characters, Story, and Humour...

I'll be eagerly awaiting the next story...
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smallknees
Subject:Prudes & Prejudice - Brilliant Story
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Time:2011-04-04 08:05 am (UTC)
Don't do yourself down! This was a brilliant story, easily the best so far, and I have sent the link to several friends. I have enjoyed every twist and turn, especially the development of Willow's character. The relationship between Willow and Darcy, though perhaps inevitable, was realistically portrayed and all the characters, new and old, very enjoyable. Now I am left with a whole bunch of questions:

Where is La Bares restaurant? - Is it at the Bares resort? It's a great concept but it would never be financially viable as a standalone enterprise in chilly UK!

What happened next at the college? Did they get some concessions from the new Dean? I know there is little story line in these things but they are loose ends.

Like others I have been disappointed to wait for new pages at times, but it is your hobby and frankly it is up to you. But please don't stop! Last year you mentioned a slightly new approach to production that would put less pressure on you to grind out a weekly update. Perhaps you should re-examine that. Why not get ahead of your next story so that you can post regular updates from what you already have drawn, without the presssure of weekly deadlines.

Finally, I bought the Koala Bay Bares book, and would gladly buy Prudes & Prejudice if it was ever published in that format. In case you haven't realised I am a huge fan of your work!

All power to your write hand!

Smallknees
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: Prudes & Prejudice - Brilliant Story
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Time:2011-04-04 08:47 am (UTC)
Thanks! :D

Well "La Bares" is at the Koala Bares in the pool side area... it was just a bit of a fun idea, the waiter was Zoot hamming it up for Willow and the other three confused looking people in the second last frame were Harry, Kim and Zinni (and actually Kim is holding baby Aria, you can just see the top of her head). As for the other loose ends, that's intentional - it allows readers to write their own ending without me delivering something that's too tidy by the finish (this seems to be a bit of a self imposed trope, most of my stories finish with a new beginning).

I am considering a process whereby I work on the new story well ahead of time and have it finished so it can roll out two pages a week without missing an update... the main problem with this approach, which I alluded to above, is that without the actual weekly deadline hanging over my head I am much less inclined to apply myself to the work. I am a very deadline focused person and while I may have missed the deadline (quite frequently) I was still always working towards finishing that page as close to the other side of the deadline as possible. Anyway, this could be my chance to break out of that habit.
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(Anonymous)
Subject:Sad to see it end!
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Time:2011-04-07 03:45 am (UTC)
I hope you don't take the lack of comments as a sign that the comic wasn't good-- as others said, it was one of your best! I thoroughly enjoy all of your Loxie & Zoot/Bare Pit comics (as well as Magellan!), and particularly think your drawings are superb. I'll miss the best naturist comic in the world, but I do hope you get to recharge your batteries! Thanks!

ChuckG
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: Sad to see it end!
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Time:2011-04-07 04:18 am (UTC)
Thanks Chuck! :D
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(Anonymous)
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Time:2011-04-07 06:51 am (UTC)
I just clicked on the button to make a comment and was greeted by one of the innovations that makes free TV free - a paid advertisement. Fact of the matter is that work like this often doesn't pay for itself. Have you broken even on the book yet? The fact that you are giving out autographed copies as prizes suggests that you still have several around, which is often the plight of the self-published author. Maybe after you die, like Van Go, the public will recognize your genius. But that will be too late for you to reap any of the benefits.

A wise man defined amateur for me as one who does what he (or she) does for the love of doing it. It's obvious that you enjoy making these stories. I believe that all of us are grateful for you willingness to share them with us, regardless of how much it costs you in finances as well as time.

Yes, we could ask for a better kept update schedule, but in reality, every time you do update, we're just grateful that you've found some more time for us. Keep up the good work and if we complain a little too much, dismiss those complaints by recognizing that most of us haven't walked in your shoes (and probably would never want to.)

Prudes and Prejudices was an excellent story and I do appreciate your sharing it with me.
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loxieandzoot
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Time:2011-04-07 08:47 am (UTC)
Let's hope I don't have to cut my ear off as well! But yes, I might have a few copies of the book lying around but really, I've sold quite a few of them over the years... I probably should add it all up (as you can see I'm not really into stocktaking) but it around the 1,000 copies mark... not bad I suppose but no best seller by any stretch of the imagination. I would say that the books sold have generally been read by more than one person each - I know that many get shared around families and friends which is pretty cool.

Certainly I do do it for the love of it, as I mentioned above, I don't really have to share the work I do but I know others enjoy it so that's a pretty good incentive to put it online. Getting feedback helps provide incentive because sometimes, despite doing it for the love, the drive to keep churning out the pages can wane when the story is long. I'd write more short stories but at some level they are less satisfying for me and readers. That said, the next few stories will probably be in the 15-30 page range.

Thanks for the feedback!
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(Anonymous)
Subject:P&P
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Time:2011-04-07 01:27 pm (UTC)
sorry to see p&p end, really enjoy barepit and look forward to upcoming installments. Enjoy your much needed haiatus.I wish there were more naturist comix without the sexual content.What is your day time job.I was reading your comments about the the involed in the making each episode, have you ever thought about charging for a subscribion to compsate for your time,you could charge like 1$ an episode or maybe 2-3$ a month for subscribion.Do you have suggestions for that used to draw years ago and like to start againe, but I don't where to start.thank you and enjoy you time off, egarly look for to your return
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sugarlessroark
Subject:Congratulations
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Time:2011-04-11 02:18 pm (UTC)
Congratulations, Stephen, on another great story. Enjoy your break, and keep on being one of the good guys.
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(Anonymous)
Subject:Congrats on another great story
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Time:2011-05-03 12:06 pm (UTC)
You have turned out another brilliant work, and it is free to each and every one of your readers - thanks a million! This is far and away the best strip on the 'net. Would we like to see a new page out twice a week without delay? Of course, but I for one am grateful for each new page, no matter how long it takes. I hope you have a good break to recharge your creative batteries, and I look forward to your next creation. Thanks!
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: Congrats on another great story
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Time:2011-05-03 07:43 pm (UTC)
Thank you! :D
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(Anonymous)
Subject:Thanks Again
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Time:2011-05-18 01:18 am (UTC)
Stephen,

Thanks again for another great story. I love them all, and have re-read several a couple of times. I thing my favorite "short read" is Twinkle. But P & P is among the greats of your long stories. I always looked forward to reading the next page!!

thanks a bunch!

Lonnie
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: Thanks Again
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Time:2011-05-18 01:47 am (UTC)
Thanks Lonnie! Always great to hear such positive feedback. Cheers, Stephen
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(Anonymous)
Subject:Thanks and Next Story?
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Time:2011-05-29 08:00 pm (UTC)
I've truly appreciated your wonderful efforts over the years, presenting Naturism in such an enjoyable and thoughtful way. My all-time favorite is Twinkle, for several reasons: short comic-book length, drawing style, topic not specifically Naturist but showing Naturist life as just casual, ordinary and free of controversy (way it should be), cute, adventurous, loving, fun story for the whole family to enjoy. If a textile story, it would be a kids' classic - so well done in every way. I could just go on-and-on, with this shameless plug for more on the order of Twinkle. Thanks for your consideration.
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(Anonymous)
Subject:It has been a while
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Time:2011-07-24 05:52 am (UTC)
Don't take it the wrong way with folk not leaving feedback. It seems that there has been a dip in interest in naturism in general, as far as I see it. I think I speak for everyone, however, when I say, very well written and very well put together, especially like you mentioned, on the theme of activism. You really hit home what people I talk to have major concerns about, and these 90 pages bring something to the forefront of controversial questions all over. That being said, listen you don't have to do what I do in my spare time, but leave me be when I decide to be a nudist/Christian/Atheist/textilist/muslim/marijuana smoker/etc. And at least be open enough to try it, then if you don't like it so be it. But there is no honor in going about getting your way, no matter how good the message or activity might be, through dishonest means.

PS to all you young folk out there, I'm 23, male, and I'm loving this, my girlfriend is all about it too, lets shout out for young nudists eh? I have no worries about the older generation, but we need to step it up and fill in the gaps otherwise naturism will be lost. At least that's how it feels out here in US. And folk think we're liberal out here
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: It has been a while
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Time:2011-07-24 09:37 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your comment - yes, there does seem to be difficulty in keeping interest up, while at the same time keeping the lifestyle simple and free from the unsavoury types and the barking hounds who would see it banned kept at bay. sigh! :)
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sodajerk50
Subject:kindle and replys
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Time:2011-08-17 08:32 am (UTC)
thank you for bringing the bare pit community to the web.

have you looked into publishing your works on a kindle format. no paper used and only publish when you sell. don't know the cost though.

you said you didn't get as many comments when you were producing pride and prejudice but you told us to stop commenting on them because some people were guessing your next move. i am sure just as many people were keeping in touch with their friends down at the nudie farm, if not more.

don't cut your ear off. i know it can be hard for an artist of your calliber to not be a world wide sensation, like that harry potter girl, but you provide a very special service to the nudist community.

rest well, but hurry back as soon as you are able. i know i am like many people who check in monthly to see if you are up and running again.
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: kindle and replys
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Time:2011-09-02 10:50 am (UTC)
Thanks for your comment and apologies for the delay in responding. At this stage I thought that Kindles were still a B&W affair aren't they? They would be a great way to sell the books if they did colour. Given the iPad's apparent reluctance to allow items that display nudity I'm not looking to Apple as a means of producing an ebook.

At this stage I don't anticipate getting back to the noodtooning during the remainder of 2011... it's not from lack of stories to tell, it's just that I really need a break!
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(Anonymous)
Subject:Re: kindle and replys
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Time:2011-10-23 08:46 am (UTC)
Hello Steve. I like you work and look forward to a new story starting sometime in 2012. Yet, it does take a very long time for the story to unwind.

Re: Kindle and iPad. As I write (Oct 2011) Kindle Fire hasn't long been launched, which includes colour. But… why does there have to be a "but"… Kindles and other eReaders don't do illustrations very well, if at all. And I wouldn't give so soon on the iPad and other tablets either. Apple computers tend to be a bit like Marmite (or in your case Vegemite), you either love them or hate them. I happen to love them (hate Marmite though) and there are other ways of publishing electronically. You just got to explore them.
Reg B
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: kindle and replys
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Time:2011-10-23 10:55 am (UTC)
Interesting - I was under the impression that DC Comics had released a whole range of their graphic nove;s for Kindle Fire which had led me to believe they must be good at rendering graphics. Anyway - one amongst the many reasons for my down time is to give me a change to 'get things together'. To say that while I was working on the comics that things were a bit chaotic would be an understatement... while I tried to keep my filing (for artwork, etc) organised it often didn't end up where it should have when I was otherwise distracted with getting the next page finished for an update. I've recently started getting that mess sorted with a mind to putting the material togther for print on demand and/or digital copies. I'll be then looking at what might need to be corrected/touched up and then... well, let's not get ahead of ourselves! Long story short, I'm looking into it! :)
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(Anonymous)
Subject:Re: kindle and replys
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Time:2011-10-25 06:41 am (UTC)
Fair do's. And Sorry if I came on a bit strong. Far from my intention. Still looking forward to the new story whenever it appears.
TTFN
RegB
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loxieandzoot
Subject:Re: kindle and replys
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Time:2011-10-25 08:54 am (UTC)
no need to apologise :)
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marmelmm
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Time:2012-01-04 09:51 am (UTC)
Greetings and salivations! :) Any updates on, well, updates? :D

-MMM-
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(Anonymous)
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Time:2013-01-29 10:18 am (UTC)
Just wondering if this is the year for a return? Come on lucky 13.

Stephen
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loxieandzoot
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Time:2013-01-29 10:22 am (UTC)
Sorry, at this stage probably not - personal circumstances would need to change a bit first.
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(Anonymous)
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Time:2013-06-18 07:13 am (UTC)
Has personal circumstances changed enough for a come back for Loxie, Zoot and the gang?
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loxieandzoot
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Time:2013-06-18 08:11 am (UTC)
Sorry, not at the moment... :(
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